The independent fundamentalist Baptist movement emerged sometime in the 1940s as an attempt to continue the legacy of the fundamentalist movement of the 1920s. You trusted. although it is rushed and depends on the persons' response. This teaching about the modern day Pastor as it is today is unscriptural, and that's how this legalism got started in the Independent Baptist movement ( HEAR ME OUT). Autonomy of local churches: each church is independent. But these folks were seen as a little bit too much by most of the people in the church, whose kids got to choose places like Philadelphia College of the Bible or Northeastern Bible College. An Independent Fundamentalist Baptist Hate List Bruce Gerencser November 13, 2020 Evangelicalism 58 Comments The Bible says in 1 John 2:15,16 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. The short answer is that going to the movies supported Hollywood. Say the name of that group several times, slowly, and let it all sink in New. eyebrow, belly button, tongue) shall be permitted to be pierced. Thousands have come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ because one man followed in obedience where the Lord led. Transportation Services Coordinator. According to the Pew Forum on Religious and Public Life, there are. Part of HuffPost Religion. For one, they lack a unified presence since individual churches largely operate on their own. I was recently asked to write a few words of support and love for the members of two Facebook groups, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Cult Survivors and Do Right Hyles-Anderson. Thou wilt pledge money on the last Sunday evening of every month to the building fund even if you cant pay your rent or mortgage on the first. Movement. UGH!!!! But if you think most of the people in your church would do that, or stand by those who did, your optimism is unwarranted. Her community turned on her, even though she was defending their health; most of the people in the community worked at local chemical plants, and they feared that the pharmacists allegations would cost them their jobs. You were right; they were wrong; and no sane person in the world would say otherwise. He is the man of God who speaks for God. He was a great man! Cathy, if you had read more of what Bruce wrote, you would see that your simplistic message isnt necessary. I was never attacked by them, and to the best of my knowledge neither were my siblings. (2) Evangelical culture has a conference and lecture circuit with celebrities and quasi-celebrities who come to cities for weekend workshops and one-night lectures that provide opportunities to sin and go, leaving behind casualties. The pastor, Jack Trieber, dressed in a yellow tie and matching pocket square, reached into his pocket to put on his glasses before reading a statement that allegations of inappropriate conduct had been made against Giovanelli. One of the hardest life lessons I ever had to learn is that in the main, people prefer to be deceived. Your word is final. A god who condemns people to an eternal hell for evil committed during a human lifespan isnt worthy of worship. If I do Ill comment on this comment with details. Remove that variable from the equation and youll never arrive at the form or content of IFB fundamentalism as it currently exists. Maybe you would. Golden State Baptist College - Is a ministry of North Valley Baptist Church of Santa Clara, California. More: Members instinctively go to the pastor first with problems, including those of a criminal nature. Prove that you are bigger, tougher, more patiently enduring and are unmoved by his wailing. Escape by Carolyn Jessop. I would be more impressed if your god, who is supposed to be omnipotent, couldnt just save everyone. And out of that love you gave them the best of who you are to do with whatever they felt they needed to. The modern fundie bible is full of contradictions and lies. People do not like to be made to confront ugly things. As a transgender woman, I find that interesting, to say the least! You have found True Christianity. Additionally, many independent Baptist fundamentalists practice "second-degree separatism," distancing themselves not only from "the world" but also from fellow Christians who do not share. For decades, women and children have faced rampant sexual abuse while worshiping at independent fundamental Baptist churches around the country. Every Evangelical sect/church/pastor/evangelist/missionary/congregant has their own rules they think are Biblical. You just dont like this particular list of rules because they run counter to your Biblical list. I appreciate being asked to offer you guys a word of support, but you should be offering support to me and anyone else lucky enough to hear what you have to say. I sometimes post on another board and (hopefully its ok) I would like to link a thread that is going on over there. Like the millions of others around the country who need to read these stories, they wont be able to unless they subscribe to a newspaper hundreds of miles from where they live. And in a real and important sense you will always love them. Cat got his tongue? There are a lot more where these came from, lmao . Glad the LORD has used them, to influence your life! Even though its hard to get much farther on the theological spectrum from Catholicism than an independent fundamental Baptist church, this is exactly what happened in the Catholic Church. Thou waist. Oh, did I mention we were homeschooled and socially retarded. People who think that sexual abuse and its systematic cover-up is something that happens only in Roman Catholic Churches ought to read this devastating series in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, about how the same thing has been happening in a national network of independent fundamental Baptist churches. The Problem Among Independent Baptists with the Gospel By TylerR Jan 25 2016 We've got to get more serious about the gospel, what it is and what we say that it is or what we will allow to be called the gospel. Are you saying Paul and Jesus are legalists? That was weak (cupping ear)..congregation: AMEN (at top of lungs). Praise god amen we were unharmed.except for being fucked mentally for years. A new website has launched with the aim of helping single New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist (NIFB) find each other for hopes of love and matrimony, with a niche focus and stringent guidelines being a feature, not a bug. Sarah Smith and the other reporters and editors who worked on this deserve great credit and gratitude. But, I have a few, from the legendary Dr Bob of Longview: Thou shalt watch football on Monday night. . Thou shalt hide this alcohol so the pastor doesnt see it when he visits you because you missed Sunday school due to a hangover. You loved when you had no more love to give. The Official Independent Baptist Rulebook, Known in Some Churches as Church Standards Thou shalt obey the pastor at all times Thou shalt obey all adults at all times if you are a child or teenager Thou shalt obey your husband at all times if you are a woman Thou shalt obey your parents at all times One particularly painful experience of nursing mothers is the biting baby. Zichterman recounts seeing an interview on television featuring Carolyn Jessop and realizing, for the first time, that the IFB was a cult. Note how Jerry Falwell Jr. and Liberty University no longer identify as fundamentalist, but as evangelical and note how this assertion is accepted, unquestioned, by other evangelicals. In America, a former member of the Church of England, Roger Williams, separated from officials in the Massachusetts Bay Colony over his belief about church functions. True Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches uphold the purest teachings of the early church as revealed in the New Testament." . I preached over 4,000 sermons. Educating children at home or in IFB K-12 schools is necessary in order to protect them from the knowledge and ways of a fallen and corrupt world. By David J. Stewart. Good day, sir. Ugh. May 27, 2011 -- Ernest Willis, a New Hampshire man accused of raping and fathering a child with a 15-year-old girl . For years people who have read the satire and parody on the Stuff Fundies Like blog have asked for someone write a companion that not only points out the problems in Baptist Fundamentalism but also . The church was established in 1975 with a small band of seventy-five people. They really spend too much time debating. That hide it under terms like order and discipline in order to enforce it. The biggest difference would be in the way they practice separation. The name Independent Fundamental Baptist Church is used traditionally by churches which pattern themselves strictly after the example of the early church, as found in the New Testament. You cant question your leaders, Hardy said. And hold him there until he is surrendered. We will be far too busy with other concerns of self to think about the presence of others we might by then hope would be there with us. Why? I grew up in a similar church. Today the name Baptist is used by many churches that are not following the teachings of the New Testament. Be firm with him. Any issues, even legal issues, go to the pastor first, not the police. The pharmacists priest even told her and her husband to leave the parish, because their presence was causing too much discomfort there. Finally, now, it's time for you to dance to your own song. If they really loved God they would have loved you and everyone else in a manner befitting that love: properly, carefully, consistently. You have left them now to themselves, and stepped into your own world. All first-time comments are moderated. However there has been quite a problem with some fundamental Baptists. You have all the information you need to attack me for making this statement, but I assure you that there is very little left to attack. More: Nevertheless, [Bishop] Andonios [Chancellor of the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese] said he decided to reinstate [Father Gerasimos] Makris because parishioners demanded it. The investigation is ongoing. The label can be used by a range of autonomous, Bible-believing Baptists (fundamentalbeing a reference to the core doctrines of the Christian faith). Im saved now, right? The problem was that the faculty was in charge of hiring new faculty. The Fort Worth Star-Telegram has done some very impressive and important reporting in its long special report on sexual abuse and cover-ups in independent fundamental Baptist churches across the country. Some of the best godly preachers like Jonathan Edwards and Charles Haddon Spurgeon were Baptists. The submissiveness of women to their husbands can be found here which is not only present in churches, this is a cultural phenomenon which also impacts the faith. Landover, MD 20785. However, after studying the Bible, I realized that it is about Gods love and grace, not keeping rules. During the 1970s and 1980s, Falwell seemed to operate in a space somewhere between the independent Baptist world of his upbringing and the neo-evangelicalism of Billy Graham andChristianity Today. 1 2 3. BITE Model. Dreherlives in Baton Rouge, La. Its not a good thing.. Glory to God alone. And screw 'em if they do. Toledo, Maumee, Bowling Green, Lima, Findlay all relatively large communities. I never understood it. 3.) A veteran of three decades of magazine and newspaper journalism, hehas also written three New York Times bestsellersLive Not By Lies, The Benedict Option, andThe Little Way of Ruthie Lemingas well asCrunchy ConsandHow Dante Can Save Your Life. 4.) Answer (1 of 7): >> Why are Baptist Churches so legalistic? READ THE REST OF THE SERIES: Part 1: Southern Baptist sexual abuse spreads as leaders reject reforms. If you're unfamiliar with the beliefs and practices of the Independent Fundamental Baptists, some of them are: IFBs also generally believe that the will of a child must be broken before it ever has a chance to develop: a fussing or crying baby is exerting its selfish will. You loved, and loved, and loved some more. Every abortion, without exception, is murder. Here has been a few problems that caused divisions in the body of Christ thanks to some Independent Fundamental Baptists: 1.) If you have to sit on him to spank him then do not hesitate. I may yet end up in Hell myself, but I wont see you there, nor will you see me. We could literally sit here all day adding standards to this; these guys are constantly changing on a whim. More than 200 people current or former church members, across generations shared their stories of rape, assault, humiliation and fear in churches where male leadership cannot be questioned. Thou shalt not have more than one hole in each ear shall be amended as follows: WOMEN ONLY shall be permitted no more than one piercing in the earlobe of each ear. Way over the edge. The King James Version is the only true Word of God; all other translations of the Bible are the work of the devil. Most of those victims dont live in Fort Worth. The reason why Im so fervent, so passionate about it this morning is because I relived all of those feelings of what its like to be abused and the one that does the abuse is the one that always comes out the other side smelling like a rose and goes down the road to another church so he can do it again to somebody else.. However, many of these churches have affiliations through theological colleges or pastoral friendships. It is a Bible Baptist church. I've heard of Dan Souza, but that's about all. 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Dont Dress Like a Whore if You Dont Want to Get Sexually Assaulted Says Lori Alexander, Thou shalt obey all adults at all times if you are a child or teenager, Thou shalt obey your husband at all times if you are a woman, Thou shalt obey your parents at all times, Thou shalt obey the police and government unless the pastor says it is a sin against God to do so, Thou shalt give a faith promise missionary offering, Thou give an offering any time the pastor says God is saying to collect a special offering, Thou shalt attend church every time the doors are open, Thou shalt pray for every meal, but ice cream at Dairy Queen after church requires no prayer, Thou shalt only use the King James Bible 1611 edition which is really the 1769 revision, Thou shalt only use the Scofield King James Bible, Thou shalt not have long hair (over your ears, collar) if you are a man, Thou shalt not have a block cut hairstyle if you are a man, Thou shalt not have facial hair if you are a man, but if you are a woman you can have facial hair, Thou shalt not have tattoos unless you have prison tats from your life before Christ, Thou shalt not take the hem out of your Levi jeans or alter your clothing in any way so that you look worldly, Thou shalt not wear pants (britches) if you are a woman, Thou shalt not wear shorts, but a woman can wear Baptist shorts also known as culottes, Thou shalt not expose any flesh if you are a woman, especially your thighs, breasts, or back, Thou shalt only wear dresses with hemlines below the knees if you are a woman, Thou shalt not have any physical contact with the opposite sex if you are unmarried, Thou shalt not have more than one hole in each ear if you are a woman, Thou shalt not pierce any body part except your ear, and then only if you are a woman, Thou shalt not watch TV, but if you are a carnal Christian and must watch TV thou shalt only watch, Thou shalt not go to the movie theater, but using streaming services is okay, Thou shalt always have tracts in your shirt pocket or purse, ready to evangelize at a moments notice, Thou shalt drive a car with church advertising stickers, IFB cliches, or Bible verses attached to the bumper, Thou shalt park down the street when visiting the local strip club or whore house lest the pastor know you are there and stay away, Thou shalt not listen to secular music, especially rock music, which is from the pit of hell, Thou shalt not listen to contemporary Christian music (CCM), Thou shalt not drink fermented alcohol after all, Jesus drank Welchs grape juice, Thou shalt not cuss, but saying darn, shoot, crap, freaking, and fudge are okay, Thou shalt not date non-Independent Baptist girls or boys, Thou shalt not have any non-Independent Baptist friends, Thou shalt home school your children or send them to a Christian school, Thou shalt only read pastor-approved Christian books, Thou shalt only believe what the pastor says you are to believe, Thou shalt say you have victory over sin, even if you are lying, Thou shalt adhere to the perception is reality rule, Thou shalt send your kids to the same Christian college the pastor went to, Thou shalt leave the church if you commit adultery, get a divorce, or get pregnant outside of marriage, Thou shalt believe everything the pastor says even when you are certain he is lying, speaking evangelistically, or embellishing his illustrations, Thou shalt wear a bra if you are a woman, and it can only be a white, underwire bra, Thou shalt not mix bathe (Baptist for swimming with the opposite sex), Thou shalt not go to amusement parks unless the youth group is going, Thou shalt not show emotion unless praising Jesus from 10:00 am to noon on Sunday or giving a testimony during Sunday evening service, Thou shalt say AMEN during at the appropriate time during the pastors sermon, especially when he shouts, pounds the pulpit, or performs gymnastics, Thou shalt not be angry even though the pastor is allowed to be angry, but thats because his anger is righteous anger, Thou shalt be for what the pastor is for and against what the pastor is against, because if you dont, a bear might come out of the woods and eat you, Thou shalt ignore any science that contradicts the Bible, Thou shalt never try to fix your own problems because the pastor is the official fixer of all problems, Thou shalt takes notes on the sermon even if the rabbit wanders five miles off the trail or the sermon is incoherent, Thou shalt always tell the pastor what a wonderful sermon he preached, even when you have no idea what he was talking about, Thou shalt always tell Sister Bertha what a wonderful job she did with her off-key rendition of, Thou shalt not use canned (taped) music for music specials. My question is: Are you judging all IFB pastors and deacons by the standards you kept for yourself in the pulpit for forty-five years? KJV-onlyism is certainly not a core doctrine of the Christian faith for any Christian who doesnt speak English. I was in the Christian church for 50 years. I grew up in the IFB circles in the PNW. See where Im going with this? Maybe so. Look at the Catholic ban on priestly marriage, and the pressures that creates. And if they failed to treat that greatest of gifts with the sacrosanct respect it deserves, then shame on them. For this reason IFB churches vigorously renounce the idea that IFB constitutes a denomination: each church, they hold, is a kingdom unto itself and obliged to cooperate with exactly no other church body, IFB or otherwise. In New York, a couple of Greek Orthodox nuns are protesting the reinstatement of a priest to a parish there after he admitted to unspecified inappropriate conduct with women, and a diocesan spiritual court recommended that he not be returned to that parish. He is his own man and refuses to be tied down or corralled by anything. Thou can sleep at 11 on Monday night; everyone knows sleep is for fags & queers, not real men. Get right, stay right, amen. Shame on you, sir. You gave. What a list! You're the power. What does the description of an "Independent Fundamental Baptist" Church mean? Addendum: Thousand shalt not even THINK about piercing ANYTHING below the waste! I have no research or data to support this, but my sense is that this space between is growing and becoming ever more the center of gravity for white evangelicalism as a whole. They didn't give over their will over to God. Thou shalt not eat at a restaurant on Sunday. * This paywall nonsense is unnecessary, counter-productive, and really disrespectful of the papers investigative team. Unlike the Catholic Church, the fundamental Baptist church considers itself to be made up of independent entities. A friendly fellowship group for members of local New Testament Independent Baptist churches. IFB takes the "I" in its title extremely seriously; they are nothing if not independent. Later that afternoon, thou shalt go to work. They are going out of their way to send a few to heaven, while you are going out of your way to send a few more to hell. New IFB Beliefs. Sorted by: 1. I would not have returned a clergyman to his former parish after what transpired but out of pastoral sensitivity to the desires of the overwhelming numbers of parishioners who sought his return, he said. 2.) Thou shalt not drive a nice car for that is vanity and takes money from the missionaries who need airplanes and new tin roofs, and food out of the fat visiting evangelists bellies (unless your the man of god, then you can drive a Suburban or a $95k brand new F350). Bruce left the ministry in 2005, and in 2008 he left Christianity. Henry, John Harold Ockenga and others sought to separate themselves from the label fundamentalist and seek out a more irenic, culturally-engaged version of conservative Protestantism, some descendants of the original fundamentalist movement of the 1920s were not very happy about it. The basic beliefs of this group is Anti-LGBT, Misogyny, Anti-Worldliness, KJV Bible only, anti-semitism, and more. And lets not forget the old For him that knoweth to do good and doeth it not, to him it is sin catch-all At my IFB church that I grew up in I loved how they used to use that one to justify saying anything they didnt agree with or like was a SIN . When the apostles, the first members of the first church, and others went out preaching the Gospel and establishing other churches, this authority was transferred to them. No other part of the anatomy (e.g. But we need YOUR help to make this project successful! Most of us have seen situations in the workplace, or in our families, in which whistleblowers were despised and cast out for telling the truth about a situation that threatened people within the group. All these Rules have nothing to do with Salvation.Jesus set us free from bondage called Legalism.Galatians5.This There rules but not biblical.This is a system of control its a man made book of rules. Firstly, I agree with Dr. John R. Rice (1895-1980) that there's no such thing as "The Baptist Church." The Body of Christ is composed of believers from Baptist, Presbyterian, Methodist and numerous other Christian denominations. Having studied this group in particular, he provides some excellent background: The independent fundamentalist Baptist movement emerged sometime in the 1940s as an attempt to continue the legacy of the fundamentalist movement of the 1920s. Homosexuals are evil perverts who despise God and should be kept away from society generally and children especially.
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