Attending all three, in my opinion, is optional. If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 9. Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. You can be saved and live however, but there will be consequences the saddest consequence of this behavior is your relationship with God will be Hindered greatly or little. She told her son Kenneth, who was 16, he had to start attending the academy and the church with her. 42. If your pastor refuses to be called Reverend, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. What is a Bible Baptist Church, and what do Bible Baptists believe. If you believe going to the movies is a sin but not renting movies or watching them on TV, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 10. If you think that secular music (i.e., anything other than old time gospel hymns) is sinful, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 19. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word. We can joke around about a differing denomination that we dont agree with, but how we react to a situation that wasnt intended, also matters greatly. I aint got any place to judge anyone because in all honesty i have messed up in life a lot. Here are my concerns about the beliefs since I am not Independent Baptist, Southern Baptist, or part of any Baptist affiliation: I came to get a few laughs but it sounds like you were really hurt by some church growing up. I dare say probably not. It is interesting that you refer to IFB as viewing divorce people as being inferior Christians and are forbidden to hold any leadership positions in the church looking to their Scofield Bibles for direction. Stop this shamefulness, as you hurt the ministry of our Lord. Using guitars in church is too liberal That was not the case at the church I grew up in when the last pastor I had when he came to Mountain Church of Christ when he first arrived (which is instrumental though membership is small). Yes, see my answer to your first question. 28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. I want no part of it except to expose it for what it is cultish. Mind you all this was before I repented and ask God for forgiveness. 22. We believe that the clear message of salvation is repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21). On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. I agree that God can use anything and anyone to reach people, but I can guarantee that the IFB has ulterior motives. lm 8:4-9; Colossians 3:9-11). I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. Good point Steve! WebWOL's Directory of Independent Baptist Churches; Independent Baptist Churches. What your pastor told you is a severe twisting of scripture (if he even used scripture). The independent fundamentalist Baptist movement emerged sometime in the 1940s as an attempt to continue the legacy of the fundamentalist movement of the In thinking back, I see that the church was filled with tiny idols like that. If that is the case, you might as well go out and live like hell, because you are not interested in what God says anyway. Frankly its not your place to tell me what I should and shouldnt do (typical IFB who thinks they know what everyone is supposed to be doing). Just because we forgive people doesnt mean we are obligated to marry them or anything else. I dont think its as bad as all this, but thats my 2 cents and maybe Im still on the inside.. The only sin that is not forgivable is blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. Even though I dont believe the churchs teachings anymore, Im very grateful for the care and support I received from the Baptists growing up. If you confuse the KJV with the KJB, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 3. We believe that the souls of unbelievers remain, after death, in conscious misery until the second resurrection, when with soul and body reunited they shall appear at the Great White Throne Judgment, and shall be cast into the Lake of Fire, not to be annihilated, but to suffer everlasting, conscious punishment (Luke 16:19-26; Matthew 25:41-46; II Thessalonians 1:7-9; Jude 6-7; Mark 9:43-48; Revelation 20:11-15). No one knew about the marriage except us. WebOur Mission. If you want a discussion ask for one. Much to their horror, they could not find a church that had a Wednesday night service anywhere in the area. Ive read all the comments posted so far, but I dont fall into many of those categories as an IFB and Ive been an IFB for almost 13yrs now. 10 And dont let anyone call you Teacher, for you have only one teacher, the Messiah. I go to an IFB church and thought a few of your statements could be funny if in the right spirit, some not so much and others I found untrue altogether. I personally fall under Southern Missionary Baptist, and literally had questions in regards to my recent visits at an IFB church. Church membership is a necessary privilege for believers who follow Christ. You obviously didnt read the entire list see number 47. My writing tends to be somewhat heavy and serious so every once in a while I like to add some humor to lighten things up a bit. Clapping after special is music is wrong because it gives praise to performers rather than to God That statement is wrong. Would the lost or questioning feel that even if someone is attacking your comments, that youre setting an example that they could adopt? Duh Get your mind out of the gutter. your comments are offensive, you are narrow minded. Im not sure where your pastor got that from, but its not in the Bible. Im happy to defend my position, but I dont tolerate assumptions, attacks, accusations, judgments, bullying or anything of the like. We believe that eternal life is the present possession of every believer (John 6:37-40, 10:27-30; Romans 8:1, 38-39; I Corinthians 1:4-8; I Peter 1:4-5; Jude 1, 2). . We fellowship with sister churches of like precious faith and practice, and support missionaries sent forth by the authority of such churches. 52. 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We are happily married today blessed with 2 more children. The New IFB does not consider itself to be a denomination. [13] Robertson had previously attracted media attention after he stated that gay people should be shot and New Zealand prime minister Jacinda Ardern should "go home and get in the kitchen". God Bless. I am also against body piercings as well. Me preferring the Kjv bible and believing its the inspired word of God is not incorrect. Everything is about Him, He is a jealous God. 6:14-17), We believe that God has commanded that no intimate physical activity be engaged in outside of marriage between a man and a woman. If your church allows no outside group of singers to perform at your church for fear that not all of their individual theologies line up with the churchs you might be an independent fundamental Baptist. Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. I truly dont understand this one, ha! I forgave him before he changed. I can use scripture to instruct me how to forgive others and God told me that it is profitable. The last pastor I had, at Mountain, would yell sometimes on his sermons to make sense of humor since most of his sermons were pretty funny but never pounded the pulpit. For you are like whitewashed tombsbeautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead peoples bones and all sorts of impurity. You might 5 Hypocrite! Your happy mega churches do too. These Independent Fundamental Baptists appear to be inconsistent, and so misguided. Grow your faith in a less toxic environment. You feel forced to go door to door preaching No general opinion on this since door to door preaching within the IFB is very similar to that of the Jehovahs Witnesses though we should share the gospel to others, especially to those who dont have Christ in their lives. Im pretty sure it WAS/IS alcohol because the bible talks alot about not getting drunk with wine.also take a little wine, etc. 8. This led to calls to evict Stedfast Baptist Church from its location at a strip mall in Watauga, Texas. Deacons help the pastor care for the flock so he can give priority to prayer and the ministry of the Word. People to Be Executed", "Deported NZ pastor Logan Robertson shows no remorse for harassing 'sissy' Muslims", "Police investigating Auckland pastor who threatened homosexuals", "Advocates urge supporters to ask landlord to evict Stedfast Baptist", "North Texas church that called for execution of gay people won't be evicted", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=New_Independent_Fundamentalist_Baptist&oldid=1142179437, Baptist denominations established in the 21st century, Anti-Islam sentiment in the United States, Organizations that oppose LGBT rights in the United States, Christian organizations established in 2017, Short description is different from Wikidata, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 28 February 2023, at 23:30. If your church funnels in inner city kids via a bus ministry, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 24. We believe in salvation by grace 50. IFB church members know how to laugh and have fun. Is to help you find a bible believing church, an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church, that seeks to serve and honor the Lord Jesus Christ. Is there any perfect , no. Then they paid for your reception, photographers and shower? I, too, would never go back to many of the churches that I have been to, but if you search, you will find one that will cause you to grow in your faith and knowledge, and to change and to believe what God has said. If you think that the KJV is inspired, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 2. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. I get the vibe that you were alienate by IFB movement at some point, as were a lot of us, but dont try to use that as an excuse to go on a crusade against fellow believers. Why dont you focus on the log in your own eye then you might be able to see the speck in my eye. If you believe that using guitars in church is too liberal, yet you listen to patch the pirate who uses guitars, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 14. The key is that youre not suppose to JUST sit under the teaching/preaching of anyone without reading the Bible, seeking wisdom from God, and fellow shipping with people who are interested in drawing closer to God. If Just As I Am causes you to repent and go to the altar, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Our accountability comes through a board of directors comprised of 24 independent fundamental Baptist pastors who, in turn, were elected to serve as directors by independent fundamental Baptist pastors. However, the churches are united by a number of doctrines. Take a look here: https://www.openbible.info/topics/tithe_in_the_new_testament. I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. (Psalm 12:6-7; 2 Timothy 3:15-17; 1 Thessalonians 2:13; 2 Peter 1:20-21), Each local church is an independent body accountable to the Lord Jesus Christ. Do I believe he punishes no, because Ive gone without tithing and had no awareness of punishment, but when I do tithe I find blessing of increase in physical and spiritual goods. People that oppose things is due to beliefs, so I believe if you oppose the IFB church its because you dont believe what their teaching not because there bitter. Jesus says that if you love Him, that you will keep His words.. You had to wear a tie if you wanted to preach or preside over the Lords Supper. It uses the Bible to treat everything from porn addiction Rather than attack one another, perhaps understand where both are coming from? He says he isnt saved but is open minded and is at least asking questions. WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such endeavors as evangelism. How will you escape the judgment of hell? If your your church funnels in the inner city kids via a bus ministry We dont have a bus ministry since the city of the church I go to is small. No denomination, governmental body, or religious hierarchy may dictate the church's beliefs or practices. Its pure manipulation. Copyright 2002-2023 Got Questions Ministries. 30 Then you say, If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would never have joined them in killing the prophets.. For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the lawjustice, mercy, and faith. We believe that Jesus Christ died for every man, and that each individual chooses to accept or reject the grace of God (Hebrews 2:9; I John 2:2). WebThe 1920 Baptist Fundamentals declared, The fundamental principle of the Baptists, in common with many other evangelicals, has always been the gospel, which is the essence I think its easy to look at the pastor as an authority figure, someone who holds some position above you, but most of them just want that connection with you, they care, they love you, they just want whats best for you. Very few men are qualified to be pastors using your interpretation of scripture. You would probably also classify the God of the Old Testament as abusive. What a typical, legalistic comment from Jason. 8. And theyre most likely convinced that Donald Trumps election is really going to make their civil life better! I disclosed to (2) pastors at this church personal and heart felt feelings that I thought and grew up and was told you can talk to your pastor, because he is a man of God. 53. I cant stand when preachers pound the pulpits because its distracting and irritating for me though I am not against preachers yelling as long as they dont yell too loud. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 Many of those things actually do go on at IFB churches, but several of those things are Biblical. 2Co 2:10 To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ; You said we dont forgive people for their salvation we cant because we arent Jesus. WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist Preaching and Bible Study from the Word of God the King James Bible at Vision Valley Baptist Church in MT. His mom, Dorothy Chrisman, was a teacher at the academy run by Fairhaven. (1 Timothy 3:1-13; Acts 6:1-7;Philippians 1:1), God established both civil and local church governments. We believe that man was created in the image and likeness of God, but that in Adam's sin the race fell, inherited a sinful nature, and became alienated from God; and therefore man is totally depraved, and, of himself, utterly unable to remedy his lost conditin (Genesis 1: 26- 27; Romans 3: 2 2-23; Ephesians 2 : 1-3, 12). Abortion is murder. If you believe women shouldnt wear pants, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 12. Members all so giving that it made me want to be a giving person. Theres a place to rebuke abusive religious practices. Youre perfect for them because they dont want people challenging their belief system. If you (like Jason) come to this site to criticize sarcasm by hypocritically using sarcasm, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Like I said, forgiveness doesnt mean anything other than forgiveness. I dont agree with the term, sowing discord with the brethren because I agree everything what the Bible teaches. Let God tell you who He is in the letter He wrote for you and youll find a love you cannot comprehend. IF you are a single Independent Fundamental Baptist where do you go to meet other single Independent Fundamental Baptists? Smoking in itself is not sin but I do agree that smoking can cause teeth decay, lung cancer, breast cancer, etc. or any combination of the above isnt really saved because of that/those behavior(s), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 52. Believe it or not I can find time to pray while at the same time not sending my loved ones to an abusive church. First wash the inside of the cup and the dish,[i] and then the outside will become clean, too. I only hope that you will see it before too long. It is the final authority on all matters of faith, practice, and polity. (Mat 22:37-40) Can you honestly say that this is of God. I have 3 children I sometimes spank I sometimes lecture. No, Baptist churches are not sinless because they are filled with forgiven sinners. ALL sins are forgivable, even homosexuality although it is a detestable sin in Gods eyes. Praise the lord for forgiveness. The explosion caused property damage but no injuries or deaths. I dont think it applies to all IFB churches, the ones I grew up in didnt do some of these, but the rest definitely apply. How about shortchanging the Lord out of 20 minutes of Sunday service time worship for game show gimmickry hype to boost attendance? They had made an idol out of church attendance. Growing up in a very conservative IFB church, I can personally attest to how accurate most of these were. WebBaptists reject the notion of baptism of people who do not know what is happening to them, such as children. 29. The women that I befriended in this church will always be my sister in Christ. New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches (also known as the New IFB) or officially the New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement are an association of conservative, King James Only, independent Baptist churches. Pastor dont preach on smoking unless he preaches on a list of things that destroy the body. If you believe that declining to spank your child is the equivalent to spoiling him/her, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 31. If I have misunderstood I apologize. While I dont have a general opinion on this, I do believe that we should discipline our kids in the same sense that God disciplines us. 11 The greatest among you must be a servant. No, but I wanted to send the rest of my life with him. If you believe that you will be rewarded or punished according to whether or not youve tithed faithfully, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 47. I have scriptures on my walls that are from other versions. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. The Baptist Distinctives are easy to remember using the acronym B.A.P.T.I.S.T.S. If this life of inner peace is what I can have without feeling the need to write long lists then Ill take it. All churches are full of sinful people, including the pastor. We only care when we see new faces in the church, whether guests or new members. There are a lot of IFB pastors out there like that, the majority of the ones I sat under were like that, they just want to see you do better. Im sad to here that fellow Christians cant get along, and I will start praying for all Churchs to be revived. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: The Bible gives qualifications for each office. Which is more importantthe gold or the Temple that makes the gold sacred? The New IFB's website lists its core doctrines as salvation by faith alone, once saved always saved, King James Bible-only, the Trinity, soul-winning, "hard" preaching, prewrath post-tribulation rapture, and opposition of worldliness, Calvinism, dispensationalism, liberalism, and Zionism. It seems most on here have a issue with IFB churches. I have an old high school friend here with me who started visiting churches. If you believe that women are inferior to men and are to be submissive to their husbands, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 32. Just please be sure that your judging is fair. Steve, Im a 29 year old pastor of an independent Baptist church. If you compromise too much with the world, satan gets in and anything can happen thats why the word says to stay vigilant. I do into great detail about why I believe the IFB is cultish in practice. If you think that the other translations are too wordly that right there I dont like. God speaks to individuals through His Word and His Spirit. I was in an IFB church for eight years and left because the weight of never feeling that I would be good enough for this church had worn me down. I had a free apartment, food stamps, government phone, and a $60.. utility check every month. Id have more time to minister to the lost if I didnt have to work to repair the damage done by the IFB. Do you know what Jesus told the Pharisees? And yet, they honor the Scofield Bible!!! We went to th IFB church that next day to say we went to get them off our back. Ive addressed the scriptures about tithing in my article and explain it using proper exegesis and hermeneutics. No one is "born into the church." What sorrow awaits you! If you believe that you can tell who the good Christians are and who the bad Christians are by looking at the fruit in their lives, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 51. I can tell by your grammar and spelling that you arent very educated (just an observation not a judgment). (Romans 13:1-7; Ephesians 5:21-6:4; Hebrews 13:17; I Peter 2:13-15). My mother doesnt wear fancy earrings. 46. The Duggar family, so much in the news lately, are Independent Fundamental Baptists (IFB), a loosely affiliated, singularly cultish denomination of Our pastor dont take any credit he passes praise the church gives to him towards God. Hmmmmm interesting.I will bash ifb, while I mix truth and error interesting.. Nice going Steve I loved him, but I hated the way he treated me. [11] Also in June 2019, Grayson Fritts, pastor at New IFB-affiliated All Scripture Baptist Church and a former detective for the Knox County, Tennessee, Sheriff's Office, delivered a sermon calling for the execution of gays.[12]. The New IFB is strongly opposed to homosexuality, with several pastors advocating the belief that homosexuals should be executed by the government. Id rather do the hard work than be a robot though. Well the whole point of being an independent church is that there is no one that you are responsible to. If your pastor is telling you otherwise hes a heretic. My jabs are defensive in nature. Tithing is also commanded in the bible and we are to give because he loves us and give with a joyful heart. If you feel guilty for not having devotions 7 days a week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 42. We had no money. I could come to him with anything that was bothering or troubling me and he NEVER judged me or held me in contempt by making me feel like I was less than or not good enough. We believe that the sign gifts of the Holy Spirit, such as speaking in tongues and the gift of healing, were temporary. WebAn independent, fundamental Baptist, local church oriented faith Mission serving Baptist and Bible churches in their missions outreaches and church planting around the world. The pastor our local congregation is the preaching elder and most Churches of Christ avoid the term, Pastor, when addressing their ministers. We believe that a Fundamentalist is defined by their adherence to orthodox theology, orthodox methodology, and will only fellowship with those who do the same. 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. Come and join. The school was run by Lester Roloff, an independent fundamental Baptist preacher who broke from the Southern Baptist Convention in 1954 and founded a series 24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing. OMG = Oh My Goodness! If you believe everything said in this article then you must not have spent much or any time in a fundamental church. If you might confuse KJV with KJB its the same thing but its a preference on how people might want to call it. No official opinion on this though as I said we should discipline our children the same way God disciplines us I dont even know what a Scofield Bible is but I believe God can use divorced people. Many churches are about the money, as is some of their pastors. I am pretty conservative, but find some of this stuff outright ridiculous! Thank God for grace! 4,2, and 7 month old. Baptist Churches Since 1975 Are From the Ministry of a Man of Whom it Has Been Said: You are probably the most childish acting preacher 7. If they are saved , I dare say they regret the day they walked into the very church you enjoy making fun of. Refusing to eat at a restaurant because they serve alcohol Theres nothing wrong with eating at a restaurant you just cant order alcohol, thats all. The IFB is the organization hurting His cause. Does he always heal people no. For you build tombs for the prophets your ancestors killed, and you decorate the monuments of the godly people your ancestors destroyed. At one point in my life I would have agreed with 45 of your 55 litmus tests, plus a few others. 9 Their worship of me is pointless, because their teachings are rules made by humans.. The tradition of men, human opinion, false science, religious creeds, nor popular opinion override the plain teaching of God's Word. Baptism means that a believer is bodily immersed in water followed by being raised up 21. Whether u believe its talking about judah/Ephraim or not. People that are lost cant do what God has commanded because of unbelief. This is simply an attempt to bring some humor to the blog for the readers enjoyment. You dont just GO WITH THE FLOW. When you discover that female is indeed wearing the acceptable dress, skirt or koulotts youre so relieved to know that shes right with God ! 3 So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but dont follow their example. Jack Hyles came to our church and you would have thought Jesus himself was preaching! I grew up in a IFB school and then university, so I can totally relate. 34. Please trust me when I tell you that your IFB church (as most other IFB churches) is preying on you. God forgave my husband through Christ. Amen! I love devotions with the Lord. (2 Timothy 2:15), We believe the first day of the week is the Lords Day. Maybe one day I can reach your level of acceptance and spirituality. The Bible terms pastor, elder, and bishop refer to different responsibilities for the same office. 2. I know you scoff at my pity but there it is. It teaches parents to use their authority to prod, guide, and correct their children. If you think that reading a version of the Bible other than the KJV is a sin, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 18. Forgiving someone has nothing to do with whether or not you believe that Jesus died for their sins. Each church is autonomous, or self-governing, and contains all human authority for leadership within its congregation. Hey there. Inspired by Jeff Foxworthys You Might Be A Redneck IfI came up with a similar list of items for the IFB. Hypocrites! Its a Biblical principle that we are commanded to follow. LOL. I can count on one hand the number of IFBs whove asked for a discussion instead of attacking me. the Bible teaches us to prove and test matters. As I sit under preaching, sing worship songs unto the Lord, pray earnestly, read my Bible as often as I can, and search through commentaries to help me gain a deeper knowledge instead of surface reading, I KNOW Im drawing closer to God in a personal relationship with Him. As God's priests, we can study His Word, pray for our needs, intercede for others, offer worship, and serve in His work. This is assuming that the parable of the prodigal son is some kind of instruction on how to deal with a troubled child They act like childern, but my church loves them because Jesus loves them. Pastors daughter did my hair and cleaned my dress with baby wipes. Im still separate I have just decided to sin. So, are you happy about that, or wanting to change? 55. The pastor explained forgiveness and that Jesus has already forgiven his sin on the cross and if I choose to not forgive than I am believing in my heart Jesus didnt die for his sin.. This is because we live in this flesh. Youre supposed to read the word daily, it says give us this day our daily bread.
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